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1:20 am
Archie,my dad and myself will be heading up to the hatchery on friday to sit down with tom.If any one has any ?? they would like us to ask,please post them here. ;DThen pittsburgh
11:21 pm
March 22, 2004
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Hey Bob,
I'm sure these are questions you already intend to ask but:
1) How do we ensure that our contributions will go strictly for minnows?
2) What bodies of water are going to get the fish that we help hold over.
3) How long will they hold over? Six months? A year?
4) Do they allow clubs such as ours to help with the stocking program...a.k.a....float stocking like we had discussed.
5) Will they be stocking more true strain ski's?
DL
3:46 am
bob,and correct me if I'm wrong on this.tigers are more affected by high water temp than trues.then wouldn't it be better to stock trues in waters such as the lower stretches of the skukill and the perk,knowing that they get pee-pee warm in the summer.
4:02 am
it also seems to me that all the reports om muskies are a result of the fish comm researching other species of fish.and accidently came up with muskies.
i'd like to know what they are considering a quality muskie fishery.is it 1 fish per acre if they even know what that # is.or is it based on the fact that they have stocked 89,000 tigers into the nock over the past 26 years and hear of a couple of fish a year being cought.
10:13 pm
I been talking to biologists and other fish commission people for twenty years now and they are in love with tigers because they are,easy to raise on thier dry food and they grow much faster than a pure strain thus giving them a big fish fishery in a shorter amount of time.But they fail to realize the drawback of the shorter life span of the tiger.There's no doubt in my mind that purestrains of a better stocked size , say 12 to 14 inches atleast would be better than the little 4 to 6 inch pencils they stock now and would survive in just about every lake or river in pa.The reason tigers end up surviving better in some lakes is because they usually run about 8 to 10 inches in size when stocked.I think Bob should teach them how to tell the difference between a tiger and a purebred for one thing.I saw them holding purebreds in pictures that they called tigers!Pennsylvania should look at Ohio for an example of stocking quality size fish verses quantity.It always comes down to money.
10:58 pm
March 20, 2004
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I could not agree more with Steve. The reason I was told that the state is not stocking pure breds in Nockamixon anymore was because the bass kept eating them. Well maybe if they put in 10+" fish they would have a better chance.
There was a great article in In-Fisherman a month or two ago. It was about tiger stocking being "good or bad". The point of the article that struck me was that MOST states are abandoning the tiger programs and going to pure breds. Look at the success in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and Illinois. Even in Pa, they stock pure breds in Western and North Eastern PA(Susquehanna). Why not SE PA. To me it has to be MONEY.
Just one mans thoughts!!!
River_Muskies
PS -- I do think Tigers are pretty cool fish by the way!!!
1:46 am
I'm not against tigers and like Greg said they are cool fish and I appreciate the opportunity to be able to catch them in Pa.I don't know about you guys but I think the potential of 50" puresbreds is possible in southestern pa. with the right stocking practices(stocking quality fingerlings over quantity) and possible higher size limits.
2:11 am
I love tigers,but pures have a couple things over tigers.For one they get bigger.{for the most part}.Also they dont vanish come july and appear half hartedly in november.{not including rivers}.The better fisheries i seen are pure fisheries.I wouldnt be suprised if new jersey abandens there tiger program in the next five years.Bob
5:48 am
You guys are correct in saying that money plays a big part of it. NY pays $40,000 a year to feed fatheads to their muskies. Another problem is that some hatcheries are trying to feed minnows to other species also. In NJ, we are feeding 35,000 4" walleyes plus 5-10000 muskies. Thats alot of bait. It takes about 4 ounds of fatheads to make a pound of muskies.
NJ is rethinking some of the tiger situation. You can raise them easily but if they don't produce the desired result than it is a big waste of time and money. Leaning toward purestrains even though they are difficult to raise.
Tom and Mike are good guys I worked with them about 20 years ago and trade fish with them annually. Good Luck and you will see those 50' before you know it.
5:40 pm
March 19, 2004
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Very cool pic archie, must have been neat to see! Have a blast at the show!
Chad T
4:02 pm
March 22, 2004
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Hey,
Thanks for the reports folks. Great pic Arch. Can't wait for the info you guys were able to pick up at the hatchery. Let us know how the Pittsburgh expo went.
DL
DL
4:29 am
Archie is correct,the visit went very well.Tom,who seems to be a super nice guy, was really informative.He explaned the process of raising these fish and let us know what we could do to help.The two things we can do right off the batt are.First,float stocking will make a huge difference in the survival rate.This will be done in the fall.I think he said they hit two lakes per day.We will need as much participation as possible on this.The second will be minnows.A much more difficult situation.We can provide minnows for the pures only if we would like.The main thing is to feed them at least once before stocking in order to get them used to eating forage.We are still working on the numbers needed to do this.The most exciting thing about this visit to me is, tom truly seem to care not only how we feel,but how well his fish do.Things are looking up,way up.Bob ;D
3:43 pm
March 22, 2004
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Howdy folks,
Great to hear the visit went well. I will be done with class by the fall and you can count me in to help with the float stocking. The livewell on my boat isn't big but should handle a couple of dozen.
DL
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